Why are you taking sarscov2/covid seriously when others like you didn't?
(presumably there are a number of discrete subtypes of people like you and for which there may be many distinct 'whys'; feel free to share any/all of them)
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@violetblue heya! In the recent COVID newsletter, you wrote, ββ¦ I donβt see anyone covering the public health developments as a whole picture, rather than fragments.β
There is βHealth Security Decodedβ by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security: centerforhealthsecurity.org/ouβ¦
Apologies if this came from you, and my inbox and I both forgot; felicitations if this is new and useful! Youβre the fuckinβ best, keep on keeping on
Health Security Decoded | Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security
Updates on the most important news, events, developments, research, and policy in the areas that comprise health security: biosecurity and biodefense, medicine and public health, science and technology, domestic preparedness and response, government β¦Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security
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π Why Masks-Required Concerts Still Sell Out in the Bay Area
βI think most non-COVID-cautious musicians think about COVID precautions only being for the sake of disabled and immunocompromised folks, and donβt realize that these are real issues that the musicians themselves can be impacted by and are all at risk for.β
Why Masks-Required Concerts Still Sell Out in the Bay Area
COVID-conscious musicians and fans have created a tight-knit, DIY scene thatβs all about accessibility.www.kqed.org
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It's a mystery...
"Why Masks-Required Concerts Still Sell Out in the Bay Area"
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π Researchers overlooked airborne diseases for centuries β then COVID-19 changed everything
Researchers overlooked airborne diseases for centuries β then COVID-19 changed everything
A fascinating exploration of microbes that can travel through the air reveals how the pandemic marked a turning point for a crucial research field.Marr, Linsey C.
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Humans are such ridiculous thinkers. I remember learning about Jon Snow near the beginning of the pandemic. He proved cholera was being spread through contaminated water, and he was fighting to convince the "miasma" thinkers.
And I was just like... fellas... has nobody considered that it could be... BOTH? That it might vary by the particular disease? Or even that one disease could have multiple forms of transmission? Why does your pet theory have to be the ONE TRUE theory?
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π Stanford must end its complicity in COVID harms
Itβs unconscionable that Stanford School of Medicine and the Freeman Spogli Institute hosted a conference in October led by architects of the disablement of 100 million people and the preventable deaths of tens of millions more. Itβs even worse that University President Jonathan Levin lent institutional support by volunteering to make the opening remarks. Itβs worse yet that the apparent success of this conference may have influenced President Donald Trump to tap at least two conference participants for top health posts.
From the Community |Β Stanford must end its complicity in COVID harms
A Stanford conference of COVID contrarians and Long COVID skeptics featuring President Levin is reverberating all the way to the White House.From the Community (The Stanford Daily)
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what an incredible display of maturity and restraint for a college newspaper op-ed discussing a gore-flecked nightmare conference of vultures and hyenas and dung beetles.
Itβs a feat to experience disability and still have this article inside you five years on. Elite academia voice is a trip in an internet of polemics.
and furthermore, lmao at the perhaps unintended pun in βbeing fΓͺted at Stanford.β Blessed is Nurgleβs garden.
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π Developing chlorine-based antiseptic by electrolysis pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/319055β¦
> This paper examined the possibility of using hypochlorite water as a chlorine-based antiseptic for handwashing in public buildings and healthcare facilities. The electrolysis method was used, which produces Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) from mixing drinking water with small amounts of sodium hydroxide. Hypochlorous acid is usually produced by blood cells to surround pathogens when the skin is cut and exposed to pathogens. The methods used were based on hydrolysing drinking water at a different salt concentration (from 0 up to saline water 0.9% NaCl) under the different power supply. The results showed that 0.005-0.01% hydrochloride water can be a perfect antiseptic that can kill most bacteria and pathogenies within 12 s. In one prototype set up one liter of the prepared solution needed the only 2 g of NaCl, 12 V and 3 amps' power. However, the pH value should be maintained to be around 5-6. The results also showed that the most efficient way was to produce the solution on-site. However, if stored properly it can be used for 7-10 days after production.
Developing chlorine-based antiseptic by electrolysis - PubMed
The use of Alcohol-based antiseptics is efficient and approved, however it has some limitations. This paper examined the possibility of using hypochlorite water as a chlorine-based antiseptic for handwashing in public buildings and healthcare facilitβ¦PubMed
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π The Long COVID Game helloworlds.ca/the-long-covid-β¦
> This short (<5min) instructional game can help illustrate the risks of repeated COVID infections and the chance of acquiring Long COVID. It was designed for large groups, such as a classroom of students. The goal is to communicate the benefits of wearing a respirator, such as an N95, to reduce the number of COVID infections and thus the risk of contracting Long COVID.
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π βIβve Never Felt So Confusedβ: A Mixed-Method Study of Managing Family-to-Work Conflict During the Tripledemic link.springer.com/article/10.1β¦
> This mixed-methods study incorporates online survey data from the January 2023 Alberta Viewpoint Survey (Nβ=β1196) and interview data collected from May-August 2023 (Nβ=β23) to study the strategies families and caregivers used during the tripledemic to manage FWC in a time of high uncertainty.
> Caregiving struggles were exacerbated during the fall of 2022 with the circulation of RSV, influenza, and COVID-19
> This mixed-methods study highlights the strategies families and caregivers used during the tripledemic to manage family-to-work conflict (FWC) in a time of high uncertainty
> Parents, especially mothers, were most likely to miss work for extended periods, leading to a greater potential for FWC among these groups
> Caregivers who were able to take advantage of workplace, relationship, and network resources were better able to limit FWC during these uncertain times
βIβve Never Felt So Confusedβ: A Mixed-Method Study of Managing Family-to-Work Conflict During the Tripledemic - Journal of Child and Family Studies
The COVID-19 pandemic disproportionately affected those with caregiving responsibilities and its impacts continue.SpringerLink
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The next head of the US NIH π
π Republican Witness In COVID-19 Misinformation Hearing Has Been Repeatedly Discredited By Courts For Promoting Misinformation krishnamoorthi.house.gov/mediaβ¦
> In an October 2021 ruling that Tennessee Governor Bill Lee's executive order allowing parents to opt their children out of school mask mandates violates federal law, U.S. District Judge Waverly D. Crenshaw wrote that Dr. Bhattacharya "offered opinions regarding the pediatric effects of masks on children, a discipline on which he admitted he was not qualified to speak," adding "his demeanor and tone while testifying suggest that he is advancing a personal agenda. At this stage of the proceedings, the Court is simply unwilling to trust Dr. Bhattacharya." Judge Crenshaw also added that Dr. Bhattacharya's testimony was "troubling" and "problematic." Similarly, a Manitoba Judge found the same month that Dr. Bhattacharya's testimony public health restrictions was contradicted by a range of evidence, including his own sources.
Congressman Krishnamoorthi Reveals Republican Witness In COVID-19 Misinformation Hearing Has Been Repeatedly Discredited By Courts For Promoting Misinformation
WASHINGTON β Today, Congressman Krishnamoorthi participated in the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis hearing titled, "Combating Coronavirus Cons And The Monetization of Misinformation.Representative Krishnamoorthi
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A remote long covid clinic -- yeah, there's probably no interest in or need for something like that, right? Better just mothball it. π
π Alberta had a long COVID program that never saw the light of day fitzhugh.ca/local-news/the-stoβ¦
> Tools for remotely assessing fatigue and breathlessness were designed, developed, and then shelved before clinical implementation.
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π How school eligibility influences the spread of infectious diseases medicalxpress.com/news/2024-11β¦
> Researchers analyzed the natural age cutoff for kindergarten eligibility in California to compare COVID-19 rates between children old enough to start school and those who were not.
> The study's findings underscore the complexity of school-based transmission and highlight the effectiveness of school-based prevention measures.
Q&A: How school eligibility influences the spread of infectious diseases
A study in JAMA Network Open sheds light on how school attendance influences the spread of infectious diseases, using COVID-19 as a case study.University of Michigan School of Public Health (Medical Xpress)
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π Brunch, Interrupted -- Americans elected Biden in the midst of crisis. Instead of understanding that, Democrats went back to brunch. thegauntlet.news/p/brunch-inteβ¦
> A big part of the Democrats return to power in 2020 was COVID. Thatβs not my opinion; that is what exit polls tell us about votersβ decision to turn out for Joe Biden. The top two reasons Democrats had for turning out to the polls in November of 2020 were racial justice issues and the pandemic.
> Democrats never seemed to understand how reluctantly the public returned them to power. It wasnβt an, βoh, thank God, Joe Biden is here,β vote. It was a βwe have to get this fucking guy [Donald Trump] out of hereβ vote.
> The Democrats capitalized on the gore. When 220,000 had died, Biden announced that βno oneβ who had overseen that kind of death should remain President. 800,000+ Americans have died of COVID during his Presidency, which he has yet to resign.
> Biden, Harris, and their spouses held a memorial at the reflecting pool for the 400,000 Americans who died of COVID under Trump the night before their Inauguration, only to never again mention Americans dying of COVID en masse again when they actually had the power to do something about it.
> My focus is COVID. I followed closely as, in the delusional world of the Biden liberal, getting COVID (a virus which damages the brain, heart, and immune system) twice a year became a totally okay and in fact laudable thing. I watched as wearing a mask went from being socially positive, to being socially ok, to being socially negative, as Bidenism reverted from anti-Trump to its true form; pro-capital. To protect capital, people need to accept this new condition of employment: more, repeated sickness, zero protections and ongoing risk of disability.
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I *wish* people not showing up to keep Trump out in 2024 was because they were mad at Dems for pretending COVID was over. Truth: Dems gave the people what they wanted. The American people absolutely demanded that COVID be over so thatβs what Dems gave them.
And in 2024, Americans wanted fascism. Or couldnβt be arsed to show up to stop it. Or just were too sexist to vote for a woman.
You want better leaders? Be better people. (Iβm American)
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@susankayequinn That is completely bullshit circular reasoning.
The American People were TOLD Covid was over so they then wanted it to be over. They were TOLD Vaccines worked so they wanted vaccines to work. They were TOLD cases had evaporated so they wanted cases to evaporate. They were TOLD it was now just a flu so they wanted it to now just be a flu.
Do you not know how much money was poured into McKinsey to figure out how to sell that? Do people need to be sold something that hard that they "absolutely demand"?
You're blaming the victim for wanting reality to be like the thugs claim it is.
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Y'all are in Canada, right? You can believe whatever you like, but I watched it here in America& it was devastating how many of my friends just wanted it to be over, who pretended it was over, who got fucking PISSED when you said it wasn't & that's just on the left (forget the nutjobs on the right who couldn't handle any of it). I watched *smart* people make the excuses LONG before Dems finally gave them what they wanted: official sanction to say it's over
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@pixplz Again, believe what you want. I watched it happen &was paying a whole lot of attention. It's a lot easier/more fun to blame Dems than your neighbors. IDK if y'all have noticed but a whole lot of Americans just voted for Trump as well.
Put Biden in the pillory if it brings you joy but it doesn't change that people were rushing to rip masks off as soon as they could.
At this point, not sure why it matters. We'll be even worse during the next one.
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I'm sorry you've been harmed by this, truly. I get why you want someone to blame.
I don't know what you're going to do re:holding elected officials accountable from here tbh. The Trump administration won't have any of that.
Not sure what joy and toddlers has to do with anything, but you are right I shouldn't engage with people on the internet about this. I've done tons of advocacy & electoral politics & yet here we are.
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Maybe at that time, but two years later? It is clear that hybrid immunity is not long lasting and that there is more unexplained illness than before. Why do people not do "their own research" and ignore the scientific literature?
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I have a sense that people believe these things, because they want them to be true. I don't know how else to explain that people are so resistant to information from the peer reviewed literature on long term health consequences of repeated Covid and the effectiveness of masks. This is even among people who read the scientific literature for a living.
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We were shut down. But people watched the food lines and counted the dead while trying to find something to wipe their buts with.
This time Repubs out played us with a bigger microphone.
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π CANADIAN Rapid Antigen Test SITUATION as of November 2024 docs.google.com/document/d/e/2β¦
ht @nb_covid_info
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@pandemicene @novid #CovidIsNotOver
Boosting this phenomenal resource on #covid19 #covid #LongCOVID that I return to time and time again. Thanks for keeping it updated as studies come out, @augieray!
mastodon.social/@augieray/1121β¦
Augie Ray (@augieray@mastodon.social)
So, here is the spreadsheet. I defy someone who thinks COVID is just like the flu to spend just ten minutes perusing the findings of these 500+ studies. I don't like scaring people, but people should be more frightened.Mastodon
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Some sales + resources for US-based #COVIDcautious #covidconscious #stillCOVIDing #covidaware #ZeroCovid folks #CovidIsNotOver #COVIDisAirborne #WearAMask #MasksWork #maskup @maskup @pandemicene @novid
Masks/mask related:
linktr.ee/buymasks - (at)buymasksUS on Instagram has a linktree for mask resources and more coupons. I will do my best to update the below, but please also utilize this as a resource (and follow them on IG if you're on there!)
maskbloc.org/ - Find your local mask bloc for free masks (and/or to donate to)!
behealthyusa.net/collections/c⦠- 70% off POSH KF94s from BeHealthy with code POSH70 (many cute colors and designs for adults and kits though they expire in less than a year). They also have a bundle of 100 Blue 2D KF94 for $50, and the main BeHealthy site often has codes for 20-40% off retail priced masks too, they carry many korean KF94s.
alliantbiotech.com/ - redimasks (adhesive n95s - good for MRIs) 50% off with code M4E50%
armbrustusa.com/ - HIYX13RN for 30% off (sign up for emails and texts for other semi-regular coupon codes, n95s, kn95s, they allow you to purchase single masks to sample as well).
bonafidemasks.com/ - TRUST25 for 25% off (kn95s).
bloxdirect.com/ - $.25/ea duckbill n95s (caveat- shipping is pricey).
protectly.co/ - \VitaCore CAN99 Black Respirators 10 packs are 20% off with code VitaCore. Protectly also offers mask samples for purchase (n99 and n100 excluded), and has a 10% code when signed up for sms alerts.
stauffersafety.com/ - They have both the normal 3m 9205 auras and the cloth elastic version auras (9210s). Free shipping over $50 too.
officedepot.com/a/products/700β¦ - office depot has 3m auras and a 25% off code when signed up for text alerts (and free shipping over $50).
fittests4all.bigcartel.com/ - Home mask fitting kits (pre order).
sipmask.com/ - 20% off sip mask valve with code SIPMASKBLOC (subscribe and save excluded).
Air Purifiers:
officecrave.com/lorell-hepa-42β¦ - Lorell 420 Air Purifier for $47.25 (reviewed here, same unit just taotronics branded: housefresh.com/taotronics-ap00β¦)
bulksupply.com/lorell-hepa-420β¦ - 4 pack of filters for the above $12.21(they also carry the air purifier for $52.64).
Tests/test related:
store.pharmalynk.com/products/β¦ - $5.98/ea Flowflex sale
amazon.com/Flowflex-COVID-19-H⦠Flowflex rapid tests - 5 tests (but multiple swabs and vials in one box, heads up) for $32 (less if you setup subscribe and save).
target.com/p/flowflex-covid-19β¦ - Flowflex 5 pack (also all in one box) for $35.
lifehacker.com/where-to-find-a⦠Comparison of the NAAT tests on the market.
shop.aptitudemedical.com/ - Metrix NAAT tests (also available on Amazon).
shop.3eohealth.com/ - 3eo NAAT tests.
virus.sucks/pluslife_en/ - Info on Pluslife NAAT tests (email discount [at] virus dot sucks for discount codes).
ondemand.labcorp.com/covid-19-β¦ - PCRs for $79 (either overnighted to you, which you overnight back, or in person in some locations). PCR testing at walgreens is $130, for comparison.
Covid Positive (Rapid, NAAT, or PCR) - What To Do:
peoplescdc.org/2023/01/10/what⦠- People's CDC guide (has a symptom tracker and isolation diary).
docs.google.com/document/d/1z7β¦ - Clean Air Club's Guide (includes a symptom tracker).
pharmd.substack.com/p/i-have-c⦠- Guide with some supplement recommendations that may prevent Long Covid, adult and children dosing suggestions.
Covid Positive (Rapid, NAAT or PCR) - Telehealth Options:
hidrb.com/covid - A Paxlovid telehealth option (that doesn't require video calls!) to get a paxlovid RX if you have a positive rapid, NAAT, or PCR test.
sesamecare.com/medication/paxl⦠- Another Paxlovid telehealth but does require video appointment
plushcare.com/covid-medication⦠- Another Paxlovid telehealth option but does require video appointment
agelessrx.com/metformin/ - Metformin telehealth option (prescribed for antiaging, and best to do before you test positive as it's mailed out to you)
CO2 Monitors:
cleanaircrew.org/aranet4coupon⦠- Clean air crew constantly has an aranet coupon code (to buy from Naltic industries), if there isn't an aranet sale this is likely the cheapest way to get one.
smartairfilters.com/en/productβ¦ -SmartAir CO2 monitor (under $70, comparison with Aranet here: breathesafeair.com/smartair-coβ¦).
inkbird.com/products/wireless-β¦ - Inkbird Iam-T1 (usually around or under $110, comparison with Aranet here: breathesafeair.com/inkbird-iamβ¦).
a.co/d/d3QH6oW - Vitalight CO2 monitor (usually under $50, much shorter battery life - 8 hours at best, review here breathesafeair.com/vitalight-mβ¦).
digikey.com/en/products/detail⦠/ mouser.com/new/sensirion/sensi⦠- Sensirion scd4x. Also way cheaper than Aranet, needs to be plugged into a USB A port and only shows colors (green, yellow, red) but does show readings in app.
Naomi Wu reviews the Vitalight and Sensirion in this video here: youtu.be/Fo2cZiRyokk
Vitalight Mini CO2 Detector Review - An Affordable Alternative?
One product has taken this goal to heart. The Vitalight Mini CO2 Detector (also called the Vitalight CO2 Monitor) is an affordable carbon dioxide monitor thatEthan Brooke (Breathe Safe Air)
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The laissez faire way of handling sarscov2 infection and transmission described in this abomination of an article is everything that's wrong with how we've been told to deal with the ongoing pandemic. Complete negligence by the authorities ergo complete negligence by individuals
π Tim Dowling: two of my sons are home β and have brought Covid with them theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2β¦
Tim Dowling: two of my sons are home β and have brought Covid with them
Sitting at my kitchen table, waiting to be fed and watered, enjoying the pets, no housework. I wouldnβt mind being ill myselfTim Dowling (The Guardian)
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A couple of responses to Tim Dowling's article
π theguardian.com/world/2024/novβ¦
Covid is no laughing matter when it continues to hurt so many
Letters: Dr Elke Hausmann and Sue Hewison respond to Tim Dowlingβs column about his sons testing positiveGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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π βWe need Psychologistsβ¦ but please donβt psychologise Long Covidβ bps.org.uk/psychologist/we-neeβ¦
βWe need Psychologistsβ¦ but please donβt psychologise Long Covidβ
Dr Aspa Paltoglou hears from physician Dr David Joffe about whatβs needed from our discipline; from Janina Bradshaw about what Psychotherapists can do; and from occupational therapist Kirsty Stanley.The British Psychological Society
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π Air Quality Monitor with Raspberry Pi 5, PMS7003, and Viam hackster.io/JoyceJetson/air-quβ¦
> Connect a particulate matter sensor to a Raspberry Pi to trigger a DIY air filtration system
#CleanAir #IAQ #CovidIsAirborne
Air Quality Monitor with Raspberry Pi 5, PMS7003, and Viam
Connect a particulate matter sensor to a Raspberry Pi to trigger a DIY air filtration system.Hackster.io
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more particles in a room do not increase Covid risk. More people do. Particles are not a good proxy for people. CO2 is. Better use a CO2 sensor.
That is not to say that particles do not matter. They do. They should be filtered out. They just donβt matter in the context of Covid.
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@hhf strictly speaking, the bioaerosols that carry sarscov2 virions are indeed particles -- albeit generally considered to be smaller than 2.5 microns -- and it is by filtering out these smaller particles with crboxes, hepa filters, and respirators that their concentration in a room and thus transmission events can be reduced. CO2 is merely a proxy, though beyond the acidity of the air it plays no direct role in the transmission of pathogens.
But I do understand the point you intended to make and for someone uninitiated in fluid dynamics and IAQ it's important to understand that a pm2.5 sensor doesn't identify the presence of airborne pathogens. The article itself doesn't invoke sarscov2 either, but swapping in a CO2 sensor is exactly what I had in mind in this context π
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π Many deaths attributed to natural causes during the COVID-19 pandemic may have instead been due to the virus nia.nih.gov/news/many-deaths-aβ¦
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π Understanding Cumulative Risk -- The health implications of repeated COVID infections longshadowofcovid.substack.comβ¦
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"Two years ago, one of us (A.C.) made a prediction in Fortune Magazine that a few years of βlearning to live withβ COVID (i.e., pretending it doesnβt exist) would lead to a billion cases of Long COVID. A recent estimate pegs the total incidence so far at 400 million cases of Long COVID. Long COVID is well on its way to becoming the worldβs most common disease."
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What's this? You mean viruses *don't* always mutate into weaker versions of themselves? This is totally new information to me! π
π The symptoms of 'stronger' Covid XEC variant and what to look out for birminghammail.co.uk/news/healβ¦
#WCHP
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bird.makeup - Tweet
A new recombinant, XEK is designated. XEK is recombinant of KP.2.3 and XEC. https://github.com/cov-lineages/pango-designation/issues/2774 Here is a brief figure on how XEK is formed.zeroes.ca
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> Marburg virus disease (MVD), a haemorrhagic fever, has been confirmed in a few patients in health facilities in [Rwanda]. Investigations are being carried out to determine the origin of the infection. Enhanced preventive measures are being implemented in all health facilities. Contact tracing is underway, and cases have been isolated for treatment.
π rbc.gov.rw/enhanced-preventiveβ¦
First cases in the country. In multiple healthcare facilities, so.. community spread? They definitely threw in some droplet dogma to calm the herd.
Enhanced Preventive Measures Implemented for Viral Fever - Rwanda Biomedical Centre
Marburg virus disease (MVD), a haemorrhagic fever, has been confirmed in a few patients in health facilities in the country. Investigations are being carried out to determine the origin of the infection.RBC (Rwanda Biomedical Centre)
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •Iβm married to a healthcare worker. Early on I understood me living it up like others around me would get my S/O sick as well as her immunocompromised patients, putting her job in danger.
And over the years Iβve seen the way people living it up around me have dealt with the consequences. And with every new research regarding long covid it becomes increasingly obvious trying to not get sick is the way to go.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •another reason I still take covid19 seriously: in Puerto Rico we are losing specialist doctors to the USA constantly. Not that long ago a friend had a heart attack episode. The appointment for a cardiologist was one year later.
In some places people have to drive for hours just to get an appointment. The queues start at 3am sometimes and the doctorβs offices open at 9am. I wish I were joking or exaggerating.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •(1) Above all, it's because I've never been invested in "normal". Everyone around me seems to have a preconceived idea of what they and their immediate environment are "supposed" to be like, and their brains blow fuses when they contemplate any fundamental change to that for any length of time. So they deny or minimize anything that would require such change. (And where #COVID19 is concerned, minimization is such a violent distortion of reality that it is effectively denial.)
(2) Also because, while I'm not an extreme introvert β I can easily enjoy interacting with other people face to face β I don't NEED that. Most other people seem to see isolation, or alienation from others β being thought "weird" and repellent by others β as the ultimate horror. My feeling is that if others don't like me, it's principally their loss, not mine.
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(3) Now that so many people have had multiple infections, it has actually reduced the brainpower they would need to process the danger. When I was on eX-Twitter, I wrote:
"#COVID19 is contagious stupidity, with pre-existing stupidity as a risk factor."
I stand by that. To my knowledge, I have NEVER had #COVID19, and I want to keep it that way.
(4) From my wife: a lot of these people grossly underplay and discount health risks of ANY kind, so that their #COVID19 denial is just a special case of that. These are the same people who think they'll never have heart attacks, or cancer, or auto accidents. By contrast, I've always been keenly aware of risks to my health.
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Nothing since then has made me change my mind.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •Reading the responses here...man, you guys are my people.
For myself, when asked by people I don't know well, the reason I'll give is that my partner has MS and is on immunosuppressives. I've got to be real careful not to get her sick. This reason is true, but it's not all.
Really, even if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't want to get anybody else sick either. Even a stranger. Its been surreal to realize that very few people give a shit about others at even this very basic level.
Then, underneath all this, is a sort of value I hold: I aspire to be a thoughtful person. I think its admirable to be adaptable. To be able to change ones mental model when presented with new information. Like a global airborne pandemic, for example.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •In the beginning, we had very young children and lived in a different country to our families, so in the first instance in 2020, we didn't know how we'd care for them if we got sick and in the worst case, orphaned them. Then we continued to stay updated on the evolving research and we felt Iike we were entering some kind of dystopian hell-hole as the governments abandoned protections. We'd generally trusted that the government basically had our best interests in mind, but not anymore. So we took "personal responsibility" and now, we keep going as more evidence emerges. We also enjoy not being sick with any kind of virus. And I also rest well at night knowing that I haven't infected, disabled or killed anyone.
Also, we have to avoid the brain fog - One of us needs to work for money, and the other of us needs to home school the kids, to give them the healthiest start.
Edited slightly because I read it a second time and struggled with some grammar, tense changes and general errors
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •The two main factors that made me take covid seriously were:
1. I had preexisting health concerns, and didn't want to make them worse.
2. I've always been a bit geeky about reading medical information, and by the time that most people around me were abandoning precautions, it was clear to me that covid caused long-term damage to the body.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •I have a bachelor's degree in nursing with an emphasis on maternal/ newborn and public health and had planned to get a masters in public health. I read the book The Hot Zone in the 90s and was immediately taken by it. I knew I wanted to be an epidemiologist. I had just moved to Colorado, and there was only one school of public health there. This was before the internet took off, so there were no options except the actual physical schools. Unfortunately, that program lost their accreditation. I had no idea how long it would take, so I got my masters in education instead and became a special education teacher as I had little kids to feed. But my interests in diseases never waned, so I kept track of news stories.
In 2016, I got Mono, which changed my own health drastically. When 2019/2020 rolled around, I was following what was happening in China and knew without a doubt it would be huge and that i didn't want it. I surely did not need another virus on top of what i already had going on. I had a few masks i had purchased for emergency prepping, donated most of them, and started using the ones i had left and sewed my own.
I just haven't stopped because I'm not a dumbshit and because I follow the science the best I can. And it's getting worse, not better. No one listens to me, though, so I'm doing it mostly on my own, which is fine because I'm a bit of a loner, an introvert, and a bonafide weirdo and always have been. Like others, I have never really fit in, first as an immigrant and then because of the other traits.
I still work, and I use filtration and ventilation in my classroom. I got covid last October for the first, and god help me only time, because I let my guard down around my toddler grandson when I was babysitting, and not at school because i use mitigations. I haven't done that again. I'm retiring this summer and that will make it a little easier, except we have a fascist in the WH. I will be moving back to Norway as soon as I sell my house and had hoped to travel back and forth, but now I feel this sense of urgency to get my kids and grandson out because of the fascism, and because all they are doing to stop information and assistance for diseases.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •At the start it was the uncertainty about the risk of serious chronic impacts. That became a certainty as we now have mountains of evidence the risk is very substantial.
Believe it or not deep down it's probably because I'm still optimistic about better vaccines and/or therapeutics eventually coming through.
I also suspect I may be a bit less neurotypical than I thought.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •We continue to follow the good ol' precautionary principle. It's never seemed like a big ask to just sit still for a bit and wait for more information. This feels key, in retrospect. My specific set of circumstances allowed me to stay open and take in what's happening in real time, in spite of the uncertainty. I realize what a privilege that is.
I became ill in January 2020. Assumed it was a bad flu I'd picked up from a family I was working with. It was awful and symptoms persisted much longer than expected. Once the pandemic was declared in March of that year, I quickly realized what had knocked me down at the beginning of the year was likely Covid.
My health was....wobbly. Navigating health care was...frustrating. Fatigued, I couldn't do much without feeling super depleted. I was then diagnosed with celiac disease and anaphylaxis allergies (quicker than usual because of my own research, persistence and perseverance). I already had asthma, so along with the demands of these new conditions, my health became my biggest priority.
Besides being a confident, practical person with a strong sense of empathy, I have an incredible partner. Not sure how well I'd cope without him.
Alongside the loss and neverending grief, this pandemic has fostered an opportunity for me to see clearer. I've been untangling lies and lots of ignorance. I think differently. My politics have changed. I understand the power in agency. I now view the world through the lens of disability, and it's made me a better human.
Grateful to all of you π·π«π
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •It's a combination of the science and very personal experience with intractable illness that helps me understand what Long COVID must be like, combined with the privilege to live and work remotely and not having any kids.
The kids thing took out a lot of my COVID cautious friends, when Biden dragged them all back to school without any mitigations or NPIs. Around the third infection, most of them just threw up their hands and stopped doing anything.
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in reply to John • • •Incidentally, just reconnected with some very good friends, one of which got COVID earlier in the year. They've always been "conscious" of SARS2, but never really practiced any mitigation after the vaccines came out.
They told me that they got COVID and immediately got sick five times in two months, two very bad colds AND Flu A and Flu B. I said that's not normal and you probably have SARS2 immunodeficiency.
Maybe this will make them competent?
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •If I had to make a full list, I would probably start with these:
1) I was able to do the math, and was willing, long before 2020.
2) I read Ontario's SARS Commssion report, and realized Dr. Henry had abandoned the precautionary principle, and was not intrinsicly trustworthy. A whole lot of "two truths and a lie", unfit for office.
3) I learned that humans do not develop any lasting immunity to SARS-nCoV2, so each infection puts your immune system / brain / cardiovascular system / liver / kidneys (and so on (and on and on)) in harm's way.
I was able to understand that public health messaging was not directed at supporting public health, but rather brr "Line Go Up."
And yeah, "people like me" has the potential for a lot of axes.
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •I guess my first reply was flippant. If these conditions hadn't occurred I might be among the majority/nonzeroes:
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in reply to trendless π¨π¦ • • •Self-employed with Epstein-Barr floating dormant in my bloodstream. Yeah, no.
That said, I know people with severe asthma who stopped masking b/c peer pressure. "Oh you still mask? I should too."
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